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Member | Tone40 23:24 16/9/08
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"If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles" - from the ancient text "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu
http://twitter.com/SAorgWatch To give us moar info about the movements of the Waymouth Street Org, Anonymous has created a dedicated twitter for monitoring it's activities. Inspiration came from the Perth Raid twitter (although we'll need a Herculean effort from as many anons as possible to ensure this works).
The basic idea, is that anytime you pass the Org on Waymouth St, post the current state of play on the twitter feed (ie "Open for business; two people out front offering free stress tests (one wearing a sandwhich board advertising it" would be sufficient).
Don't compromise your identity, enter the Org or do anything stupid. But, if you generally pass by the place on a regular basis, you could be of great assistance to this Operation. Whether it's a one-off post, or regular posting; every little bit will help. We'll need lots of input from loads of anons for this Op to be WIN.
Onions?? Wanna help? Send a PM
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Member | AnonVocis 07:37 17/9/08
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Could be a little risky as they have a mounted camera pointed out the cultshop window. What do we gain from watching them come in and out and reporting as such? Although, it has potential.
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Member | Anon1919 Anon1919 09:09 17/9/08
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I agree with thetan, what result and/or advantage does this give anonymous? Having updates on when they take a break from their usual scamming to go grab a big mac?
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In 1995 Germany ruled that Scientology is not a religion; and if anyone could spot a dangerous fanatical movement, before it gets out of hand, its the Germans
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| mrDogfud 16:52 17/9/08
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what do we know about the activities at the Org? everytime we protest there, the shop's closed.
moar intel is always helpful. the fact there's a camera out front doesn't mean jack – unless u stand in front of it, taking notes in a huge black book marked 'anoynmous – secret squirrel' u should be fine. 100s of pedestrians pass everyday, yeah? play it cool; use yr noodle.
lots of anons work or study in the CBD and prolly walk past the Org every day - or could alter their route to travel past it from time to time. it wouldn't require much effort (or compromise your identity) to take note of what's going on at the Org. once you're back online, u can then pass on the info to the hivemind, via the twitter.
the intel we gather may be entirely useless. then again, it could help us with strategies: if we find they regularly cold canvas on the footpath on Thursdays; mini-raids can be planned for Thursdays. if we find that an entire month goes past without a report of a single customer buying a book; we know they're broke and fake and just a front for paying the UK orgs. there's also the possibility of spotting clams coming and going. who knows what else.
remember "knowledge is power" and "u can never know enough about yr enemy" etc?
wouldn't hurt to amp up the paranoia at the Org either; have them suss about every pedestrian passing their shop
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| on and on anon 20:58 17/9/08
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It wouldn't take much for them to look at the tape from the camera out the front and match the times reported on twitter to the times on the tape and therefore the faces on the tape.
E.G.: They go to twitter, get the times of 3 reported observations and look at the tape that matches these times. If the same anon was in all 3 sections of video, the chances of there being other unrelated ppl in all of the same 3 pieces of video are pretty slim.
Result: Praise Xenu – a fair game target!!!
It sounds time consuming and pointless to a sane person, but to a scilon it would be time well spent indulging their paranoia towards their critics.
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| mrDogfud 22:08 17/9/08
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"It wouldn't take much for them to look at the tape from the camera out the front and match the times reported on twitter to the times on the tape and therefore the faces on the tape."
twitter is members only (now) and if scilons wanna waste time/money scouring CCTV footage for recurring faces, good luck to them – be like looking for needles in a haystack and they'd have more false leads (ppl walking to work/school) then real leads, so it would just be a huge time wasting exercise for them.
if u want in on this Op, PM me, if not: that's cool too …but the watch has BEGUN regardless =)
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Member | Anon1919 Anon1919 22:28 17/9/08
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How many pedestrians passing by would constantly look over towards the org? Thats gonna make it obvious if they find a suss anon for example. Well i know i i always look over when i cross at the lights near the org on king William st. Feel free to go nuts with the observations and stuff, i just personally think its inevitable waste of time.
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In 1995 Germany ruled that Scientology is not a religion; and if anyone could spot a dangerous fanatical movement, before it gets out of hand, its the Germans
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Member | Tone40 22:46 17/9/08
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huh? scilons scour 24 hours of footage every day, then fairgame any pedestrians that regular walk past and "look" at the place? srsly?? thats a tad paranoid, for my tastes.
if u don't feel safe doing this: don't get involved. but there's prolly loads of anons out there, that are already walking past the org regularly who'd feel comfortable reporting what they see; its not a huge effort to post 64 characters of commentary to twitter
here we are, trying to 'educate SA about the issues surrounding scientology' and what do we even know about the local org? sure, we're all well-versed in foreign incidents (Lisa McPherson, EpicNoseGuy, IRS infiltration etc) but the only thing we seem to know about the local org is: it's closed on Saturdays
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Member | Anon1919 Anon1919 19:17 18/9/08
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Im merely trying to explore possibilities with reason, there is no need to get so negative about it. And im sure if you really wanted to know something about the org you could just walk in an ask, because hey we're anonymous arent we? how would they know.
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In 1995 Germany ruled that Scientology is not a religion; and if anyone could spot a dangerous fanatical movement, before it gets out of hand, its the Germans
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Newbie | anonstray 20:35 18/9/08
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I kind of find this funny. I walk past there every day and there are certainly particular days and times that the scilons stamp the pavement lookin for new recruits. Would be funny to mini raid the %$#%$&# while this is hapnin. Good one anonymous. it'll freak em out anyway just knowin we collect info on em.
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Member | Tone40 04:22 19/9/08
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sozzle > don't mean to be negative
just trying to get some more intel on our friends, to ensure our planning and strategies are as finely focused as possible for maximum win. our power lies in our numbers. what may be impossible for an individual (we don't have a Stu Wyatt of our own) could easily be achieved by a legion. think of it as our own Fridge Magnet hotline ;) be alert, not alarmed and all that… report all scilon activity! ;P
& srsly, i would NOT recommend any1 go into the Org and ask anything like "how often do you do stress tests out front? do u ever do book selling tables on the footpath? what's the deal with that Ute that drives around with all the anti-psychiatry shite all over it? how many members do you REALLY have?" but this info is obtained quite simply, with very limit effort, if the right ppl (see: Mr "I walk past there every day" above) report in when they see/hear anything :)
+ whut does anonymous think about monitoring that dianetics booth at the pt adelaide markets 2? r there any anons who could volunteer info?
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Member | Anon1919 Anon1919 05:43 19/9/08
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I agree that monitoring the org would sprout some useful information but the consistency would have to be great, as well as, lets just say for example, 5 Anons walk past there on average every 2 days, thats only covering like 15 minutes max of activity? Leaving some 168 hours of unwatched activity. That's obviously a very crude example, im just saying you would need to already have a general idea of when they start/finish activities.
Oh and as for asking them in person, haha i didn't mean just walk and be like "sup, so wuts dis i hear bout Lisa McPherson rofl". I meant more along the lines of like say going in for a stress test or something and having a brief conversation and then pop in a question like "so your out here helping people often?" Or something like that, you get the picture. Being anonymous gives you many advantages ay?
EDIT: Grammar Police hit me for 516,100 Spelling Damage.
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In 1995 Germany ruled that Scientology is not a religion; and if anyone could spot a dangerous fanatical movement, before it gets out of hand, its the Germans
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| anon1138 19:37 20/9/08
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My 0.02c on this:
Great Idea.
Impossible execution.
Twitter is very namefaggy. and unless you register an account just for anon-related shit, it's hard to keep updated.
For this to truly work:
I think there needs to be an interface to the twitter account that is, you guessed it – Anonymous.
I thought of this for the AnonSA account a while ago, but it's less crucial there.
(by the way, I still think that there should be a box on the front page to show the latest anonsa twitter update.)
What we need, either:
A) a web page on this site (with a time delay, eg post only every 5 minutes) that can post to the sa org watch site.
I think a simple form would do. This would involve knowing shit about twitter API's that I don't.
do we have any coderfags?
maybe a wordpress plugin? I'll have a google.
I figure that this is pretty much a simple "hello world" type app with time delay.
B) a less optimal solution, but associate the saorgwatch account with a jabber account, give people access to said jabber account with username and password.
that way, anyone can contribute, and if the account gets 'compromised' you change the jabber account, and you just learnt who's a spy/idiot.
but this is a route i'd PREFER NOT TO GO DOWN.
remember, the more barriers to entry, the less people are likely to use it.
with option A: people need access to a browser and a net connection. piss easy, more contributors.
option B: access to a net connection, IM client AND the saorgwatch jabber account. pain in the arse, less contributors.
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Member | Tone40 20:17 20/9/08
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i admit, this is pretty ambitious and all that… we're not really paid enough by the psyches and big pharma to keep a real 24 hour detailed watch on the place. but if we start off in a low gear, at least we'll get the ball rolling. some lurker might stumble across it one day and tell us 'hey guise, i work across the road, i can tell u everything u wanna know' – maybe? best to get the hooks baited and in the water though imho
we might not have loads of contributors, but thats cool. start it off slow, hopefully the momentum will build. to begin with, any trusted anons (who can pass the wall of fire/xenu/pneumonia test) who wanna contribute are given the password to the twitter site – simple as that. we're all equal in this thing, and if the site gets compromised, its a nice exercise in 'find the spai' and we just abandon the twitter and start start another. decentralisation means nothing is ever concrete or 'forever' anyway. if we treat the feed like we know it could be abandoned or compromised eventually, it won't be a big deal if/when it does.
we don't need highly detailed info about their movements, financial records etc etc just general guff like whether they do book-sellng on the footpath, and on what days, is still WIN – this is info that can help anons plan, thats all.
if we're lucky enough to gain moar intel then the basics, thats a BONUS – whatchas think?
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| anon1138 21:58 20/9/08
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I did some googling, and the only project anyhow similar to what we'd be looking at is this:
http://deanjrobinson.com/projects/twitt-twoo
but would require some php hacking.
all you would need to do is change it from displaying on an admin page, to a public page.
I don't know how to do that that though :D
Just some food for thought.
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| anon1138 22:00 20/9/08
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also, another site to think about possibly using is:
http://www.rentacoder.com
If we don't have the expertise 'in house', we could 'outsource'.
project gets finished.
we open source it.
All anonymous benefits.
Win Y/Y?
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