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mrDogfud
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05:44 - 19/8/08
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Saturday, September 13th, 2PM at Victoria Square
Things to discuss: - route i thought Rundle St was a bit narrow for us and Rymill Park a bit quiet considering the weather… perhaps we could go str8 down King William (skip the CoS), Rundle Mall (slooooowly), then loop back to the CoS by going down Pulteney and back to the CoS via Grenfell St? It has also been suggested that we split into two groups to go down both sides of the street and cover moar ground. there were loads of ppl on the opposite side of Rundle St with 'lolwut?' expressions who didn't get handouts
- invites i haz done an invite: 1/4 page (book inserts/letterbox drops), a4 (poster/email) or a4 with pull-offs on the bottom (poster) if we can get this to a point where we're 100% happy with it, i will make a word, photoshop & pdf template we can use for every raid
- flyers IMHO we need a VERY simply flyer outlining our core beefs perhaps just the points we've previously clarified in the petition? ie We want: 1) Govt inquiry into 'fair game' and 'disconnection' policy damage in australia 2) revoke tax-exemption status which should be exclusively for not-for-proft CHARITIES not for-profit business ventures that exploit loopholes to pay staff in a foregin country 3) alter the high court's definition of 'religion' to include protection of rights for ppl in the religion and ?? ^ needs work, please halp
- mass mask buy raid after raid, ppl r registering interest in buying a gf mask, then no1 gets it together to order them! is there any1 who wants to take the lead on this?? ie buy them nao! Alternatively, could we use the donation thing on the front page, to all contribute funds towards the masks (whoever wants to buy 1), then do the mass buy? ie if u want a mask, donate $15 up front, then when we get enough moolah, do the order? $15 a mask seems to be the going rate.
- photos without these, it DID NOT happen! with only 2 hands, its hard coordinating flyer handouts, a sign, a stereo, a bag AND a camera - perhaps we could coordinate a bit better? ie nominate yrself a camera person/a flyer person/a sign person. then ppl can decide what to bring, based on this. ie there's only 1 sign bearer, i gues i'll bring a sign instead of a stack of flyers OR there's 5 ppl taking photos, i'll leave my camera home and bring some flyers instead? would be gr8 if we could 'pose' for a few moar photos too. esp at iconic spots like the malls balls, entry to the mall, in front of the CoS etc - photos do all the work once the raid is over. in fact, we could always do with slooooowing down in general. anytime some1 stops to ask me something, i gotta rush off to catch up to the main group.
- mini-raids yes, its totally legal for small groups to mask up and wander the streets handing out flyers and generally enturbulating the city at large. hit the irc, or use PMs to organise yrself with other anons. this is easily the best way to promote numbers to the next raid.
tl dr; decide on a route, develop a new flyer, consider nominating yrself a role (ie flyers, signs, cmaera etc), order masks, organise mini-raids, NAO!!
note: Have directed enturb planning thread to here, to keep it all in one place
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thetan - Moderator
15:53 - 20/8/08
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Just my thoughts…
- route In general splitting = less impact. But down rundle st could be worth it.
I don't think the king William, Rundle pultney, grenfell route is that great an idea.. same as the original route just we get lonely grenfell instead of nth terrace..
Remember.. the idea was to avoid finishing at cos, because the time we spent at end of protest is better spent in a public place.. I'd suggest Co$ first. King william, rundle mall, rundle st… then back up North terrace and end perhaps either lawns opposite myers (near intersection) or at pergola thingy near festival theatre.. near that intersection?
Maybe give the current route a 2nd go.. it was also crap weather hence less traffic like
- invites
You have out done yourself! I LOVE the picture! A few PR ideas / concerns I've had bouncing around in my head are the following.
1) OHHHH.. anonymous are those masked people!
People either see US, remembering those “those masksed protesters” agains Co$. OR they see a flier showing a suit, and the group name anonymous.
The connection is obvious to us.. but those two things don't necessarily link in peoples minds as being one and the same. I could be wrong, but i don't think people see our fliers and think of those masked guys from the paper… or whatever… (at least as much as we hope.) I think it'd be good to integrate a guy fawkes mask into at least one of our templates somewhow.
2) Isn't protesting bad.. like…?
I think there is a tremendous apprehension about protesting.. people (due to the media) seem to picture monks throwin molotovs, or riots in gaza.. they don't picture teachers on strike, union workers, save the murray activists etc. Perhaps (don't laugh at me 4 being so white hat..) using the word “rally” from now on instead of protest might be better. People (i think) picture the same thing but peaceful… Perhaps having a statement like: “Remember: You have a legal right to peacefull protest!”
3) Newbie
Also.. I still think we need a newbie link to dispel the myths..! I know we have the awesome about our cause thing.. but tl;dr can apply..
- photos I say we hit two birds with one stone by stopping for 5 minutes at malls balls for a quick photo opp, and to gather some attention distribute protest info.
- mini-raids Win!
-Fliers
also.. i saw this good one on enturb.. it was a flier designed to look like a concert ticket! =) COuld be as catchy as the dianetics dollars! =) lol!
P.S. TOP WORK DOGFUD!
tl;dr? Split at Rundle st good. Keep current route for now. Fliers need a guyFawkes mask pic + reminder protest = legal. Also for PR call it Rally not protest. Stop @ malls balls for 5 minutes.. DogFud = good.
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Anon23517 - Member
Anon23517 12:14 - 21/8/08
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Narrow streets like Rundle St would do really well in having a group on each side walking down. Larger ones like King William, Pultney, the Mall, etc, there's no real need to split up.
I still think ending at Rymill Park would be excellent on raid days that fall on big local events, like the Indy500, that sort of thing. The potential audience to reach down there would be epic. Ending up there during things like the Fringe or the Arts Festival, all really good times to finish down at Rymill Pk.
But we can't forget our good and dear friends at Waymouth St, we'll have to pop by and say hello at some point. We wouldn't want them to forget about us, that would be just dreadful! 
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engram - Newbie
16:28 - 24/8/08
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I agree with what mrDogfud says about Rymill Park. It just seemed completely bereft of people. Any other route would be fine, but whatever is decided, Co$ should be the main focus of the protest. Yes, we don't get heaps of public attention, but we certainly get more on Waymouth St than Rymill Park.
Also, I'm dying to purchase a gf mask (2 or 3 masks if possible). I really don't like buying over the net, so I'll buy them on Sep 13 if thats okay with you guys. Sorry for being stubborn, (I know the general idea was to donate 15 bucks each until there was enough for a shipment) but I don't even have a credit card.
Thanks anon for being enthusiastic and informative towards the public. I saw heaps of people talking to other anons on Aug 16. INFORMATIVE PROTESTS = EPIC WIN
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mrDogfud
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17:18 - 24/8/08
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@engram - u might be lucky with the last mask mate
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anon1138
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18:10 - 24/8/08
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I think people forget it was BLOODY RAINING last raid, and it was cold.
hardly anybody was out, and we saw the most people when we were on the move.
So I think a Straight from vic square > rymill park for 30 mins > back to the Co$ via same route will give maximum exposure.
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mrDogfud
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08:16 - 25/8/08
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1 thing we can all agree on: the mall is where anonymous has the most impact, so… - head str8 down KW St - head down the Mall - split onto either side of the road for Rundle St - stay in Rymill Park as long as appropriate - return via the same route, to the CoS ?

this gives us double the exposure in the mall, the option of enturbulating Rymill Park (if appropriate) and the CoS don't get left out - whatcha think?
StreetView LINX for newbies: Where to meet (North-West Corner of Victoria Square) Halfway point (the Rymill Park rendezvous) Where to finish (our friends at the CoS)
+ are we all keen to stick with Tax the Bastards as the theme for now?
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eos
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12:10 - 25/8/08
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i was thinking how about stoping by CoS on our way to rymill and then make a drop back just to suprise them…
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thetan - Moderator
17:50 - 25/8/08
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@ Engram: Hmmm. ok, fair call. I'm personally just in favor of spending a greater fraction of time where we get more exposure. Given the weather, I must concede perhaps Rymill as a finisher isn't the best at the moment
Also.. if we are going to go down rundle st and back, perhaps do one side at a time…?
Also, can you put us down for a 5-10 minute photo opp at the malls balls on the first pass. Also to let the public take their happy snaps, and ask us why we where masks etc..
P.S. I dont think we should stop by cos twice (it'd just be annoying to the police, and given the fake stink bomb thingy I think its in OUR interests to have the police there whenever were there so Co$ can't pull stunts like that again =)
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AnonVigil - Member
11:22 - 26/8/08
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The double-exposure route is good, with a final hurrah at the cult$hop. And definitely a fair photostop at mallsballs. My group will organise ourselves with digital cam/handouts/signs.
Also, this months theme…?
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mrDogfud
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04:10 - 28/8/08
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Sep13 is the final day of the Royal Show*. It would be gr8 to have some shiny black Anon showbags we could hand out at our protest; whatcha think?
I've put ten to fifteen seconds of thought into what could go in the bags… - An info disk (the Gold Info pack disk from the hivemind + media from TaxTheBastards-gate) - A movie disk (plenty to choose from) - Tri-fold brochure, with general info - Generic invite, to protest with us (event ticket for sep13, if given out b4 sep13) - A “Dianetics Dollar” with brief tax info - DIY Guy Fawkes mask (ie cut around dotted lines, add elastic) - Sheet of Anon stickers
Not sure I'll have the time/resources to put them together, but thought I'd get the idea out there. My printer is on the fritz, but I could burn the disks if someone could source the bags? What does anonymous think?
*lots of ppl will be exposed to the graffiti murals at Goodwood train station too. you know, the 'No Drugs Ambassadors'/Scilon Child Recruitment Tactics? ideas should be developed to how we can best leverage this to our advantage. perhaps mini-raids at Goody train station to give out 'tickets' to the protest and 'showbags' ? the timing is perfect and there is real concrete proof under their noses (the murals) of Scientology's insidious tactics to recruit children into their cult.
tl dr; the show is on during our next protest; wanna make 'anon showbags'? wanna mini-raid Goody train station during the show?
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Anon1919 - Member
Anon1919 06:13 - 28/8/08
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mrDogfud said:
Sep13 is the final day of the Royal Show*. It would be gr8 to have some shiny black Anon showbags we could hand out at our protest; whatcha think?
I've put ten to fifteen seconds of thought into what could go in the bags… - An info disk (the Gold Info pack disk from the hivemind + media from TaxTheBastards-gate) - A movie disk (plenty to choose from) - Tri-fold brochure, with general info - Generic invite, to protest with us (event ticket for sep13, if given out b4 sep13) - A “Dianetics Dollar” with brief tax info - DIY Guy Fawkes mask (ie cut around dotted lines, add elastic) - Sheet of Anon stickers
Not sure I'll have the time/resources to put them together, but thought I'd get the idea out there. My printer is on the fritz, but I could burn the disks if someone could source the bags? What does anonymous think?
*lots of ppl will be exposed to the graffiti murals at Goodwood train station too. you know, the 'No Drugs Ambassadors'/Scilon Child Recruitment Tactics? ideas should be developed to how we can best leverage this to our advantage. perhaps mini-raids at Goody train station to give out 'tickets' to the protest and 'showbags' ? the timing is perfect and there is real concrete proof under their noses (the murals) of Scientology's insidious tactics to recruit children into their cult.
tl dr; the show is on during our next protest; wanna make 'anon showbags'? wanna mini-raid Goody train station during the show?
On youtube i found a video on how to make an origami Guy Fawkes mask, the video was like in 2 parts the first being 8 minutes long so it might be too tricky to make, i don't know i didn't want it. I thought of another idea when i was at work; Wouldn't it be cool if we had name badges/tags that were either blank or said anonymous on it? haha anyway ill try think of more material we could use.
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mrDogfud
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07:11 - 28/8/08
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i don't expect ppl to actually wear those DIY guy fawkes masks, but its a gesture that suggests 'u can play too' or 'get involved' - showbag would just need a few gimmicky things like this, nothing too over the top. the idea is that ppl might accept/appreciate a showbag, whereas a 1/4 page flyer might be rejected. just an idea.
i made some of those red 'my name is _____' and 'my name is Anonymous' name tags if u want.
search the enturb forums, u should find them :)
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anon1138
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07:57 - 28/8/08
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I think if somebodys game enough, why just the protest? out the front of the royal show's good, you know, for the walk there.
People like free showbags and the masks are very “show”y..
A card table with FREE SHOWBAG on it is enough. and a little bit of info on the table about anon.
it's just the bags that's the issue. how quickly could we get a bunch of bags printed?
I don't think people are likely to accept a black bag, or at least something with no text/image on it, it looks a little dodgy for the royal show.
i mean, the level of dodgy, we'll be outside with card tables, but we'll at least look semi-professional :D
plus, if you're going to do this, I suggest bringing digital camera or video camera in case any scilons/other harassment occurs.
anyway, i'm just floating an idea :D
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mrDogfud
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08:22 - 28/8/08
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printing the Anon logo onto sticker material ought to suffice, even if its only small (even onto paper will get the job done)
if any1 can hunt down the bags… i am prepared to burn all the disks and already have 5 colour print outs of the guy fawkes masks
that just leaves us with some1 to print the rest of the stuff? any1 keen?
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anon1138
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13:41 - 28/8/08
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EDIT: I am an idiot and didn't notice the officeworks bags didn't have handles. stupid small picture.
there are plenty of sources here though:
http://www.zerowaste.sa.gov.au/plastic_bag_alternative_suppliers.html
can anyone source some stuff?
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Anon1919 - Member
Anon1919 18:13 - 28/8/08
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Personally, i feel being directly at the royal show is a bad idea for the following reasons:
1) kids are there, they wont know what its about
1a) kids might get scared?I don't know
2) It might seem like we are 'protesting' so to speak, in an inappropriate location.
3) People go their for fun, not for 'political' reasons, that i know of.
4) There will be thousands of people there, and obviously some will be scilons there too
4a) That many people that are there, it might turn against us, ie haters and general assholes which may backfire and give us a bad name etc.
5) would you need a license of some sort since you are advertising on the grounds, if you know what i mean?
Personally, i think its just to risky to advertise at that sort of event. I wouldn't help out at that location, but feel free to go yourself, just my two cents.
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mrDogfud
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18:52 - 28/8/08
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i agree, inside the grounds is a no-go. but public space is another thing.
all it would take is the 'free showbags' sign and two anons in masks chillaxing on the platform at Goodwood station… or on a street corner along Goodwood Rd.
ppl that wanna be left alone, can be left alone. those who wanna know more, can approach anonymous and get their free showbag. it just has to be done right =)
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Anon1919 - Member
Anon1919 19:14 - 28/8/08
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yeah thats cool, thats what i was trying to explain lol, inside the grounds or like near the entrance seems to close, like they have to be near by and listen to us ramble about xenu all day, even if they dont want to.
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anon1138
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02:34 - 29/8/08
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Anon1919 said:
Personally, i feel being directly at the royal show is a bad idea for the following reasons:
1) kids are there, they wont know what its about
“FREE ADULT SHOWBAG” although that may get the pervs looking into it. “FREE 16+ SHOWBAG” I think 16 is a fair age to get politically active. we've had 15 year olds on this forum for one. +one year for safety.
1a) kids might get scared?I don't know
We deal with this every single protest. if you wave, and say 'hello' they're mostly fine. if not, they would have been scared anyway.
2) It might seem like we are 'protesting' so to speak, in an inappropriate location.
I'm pretty sure I've seen PETA do it and other organisations when i've gone to the show or the BDO. although that's perhaps not the best example, you get what I mean.
3) People go their for fun, not for 'political' reasons, that i know of.
same argument applies to the mall: - people go shopping for buying stuff, consumerist reasons, not for 'political reasons'.
4) There will be thousands of people there - that's why it's a good idea. exposure, if anything people will see 'weirdos in masks' and a sign 'Anonymous' which isn't exactly a bad idea to get into peoples heads.
, and obviously some will be scilons there too - bring a video camera, if any harassment happens; hello juicy youtube footage. we take this risk every time we protest/spread the word/mini-raid.
4a) That many people that are there, it might turn against us, ie haters and general assholes which may backfire and give us a bad name etc.
if it all goes pear shaped and we get assholes hassling us and they're NOT scilons (eg, drunk idiots or general douchebaggery) what do you do? pack up and leave. but i doubt it would get that bad. I think late morning around 11am - 1pm would be a good time, we want to do it as people arrive.
also how to do people being idiots to us give us a bad name?
5) would you need a license of some sort since you are advertising on the grounds, if you know what i mean?
I wouldn't know, but…
Have you ever been to a rock concert? do you think those tshirts you see out the front for $10 cheaper than the tshirts inside are 'official' merchandise? In case you're not following, they're not. I figure we're doing the same thing, except we're not charging. I don't think they would have a licence. so, Not INSIDE the grounds, OUTSIDE the grounds, eg somewhere BY THE FOOTPATH OUTSIDE.
Personally, i think its just to risky to advertise at that sort of event. I wouldn't help out at that location, but feel free to go yourself, just my two cents.
the worst that could happen? some officials come out and tell us to get lost. in which, we then get lost.
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Anon1919 - Member
Anon1919 04:09 - 29/8/08
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“FREE ADULT SHOWBAG” although that may get the pervs looking into it. “FREE 16+ SHOWBAG” I think 16 is a fair age to get politically active. we've had 15 yearolds on this forum for one. +one year for safety.
When i meant kids, i meant like the ones under 10, there are a suprising amount of kids at the show; not that its a bad thing, im just saying there is a large amount of people there that may be the wrong audiance.
We deal with this every single protest. if you wave, and say 'hello' they're mostly fine. if not, they would have been scared anyway.
Yeah i agree with that
I'm pretty sure I've seen PETA do it and other organisations when i've gone to the show or the BDO. although that's perhaps not the best example, you get what I mean.
Yeah i know what your getting at, but would you say our views are somewhat controversial to people?
same argument applies to the mall: - people go shopping for buying stuff, consumerist reasons, not for 'political reasons'.
I find the mall to be different since it is quite common for people to protest and set up areas of interest there, im yet to see, well, notice this sort of thing at the show as of yet.
that's why it's a good idea. exposure, if anything people will see 'weirdos in masks' and a sign 'Anonymous' which isn't exactly a bad idea to get into peoples heads.
Yeah i agree.
If it all goes pear shaped and we get assholes hassling us and they're NOT scilons (eg, drunk idiots or general douchebaggery) what do you do? pack up and leave. but i doubt it would get that bad. I think late morning around 11am - 1pm would be a good time, we want to do it as people arrive.
also how to do people being idiots to us give us a bad name?
Like for example, some guy starts yelling out shit like “fuck off no-one wants to…. etc”
And if you saw that, like some guy yelling at a bunch of guys with masks, what is the first thing you would think? What is wrong with the guys in masks or why is the guy angry?
I know this sort of stuff happens each and every time you protest in the city, im just saying to me it feels like different circumstances.
I wouldn't know, but…
Have you ever been to a rock concert? do you think those tshirts you see out the front for $10 cheaper than the tshirts inside are 'official' merchandise? In case you're not following, they're not. I figure we're doing the same thing, except we're not charging. I don't think they would have a licence. so, Not INSIDE the grounds, OUTSIDE the grounds, eg somewhere BY THE FOOTPATH OUTSIDE.
I've been to plenty of rock concerts but never seen any of those cheap t-shirts, but i wish i did cause i paid $40 for my last onelol . Also, their presence is also promoting the bands in whatever way. as well as being in relation to the grounds they are set up at.
the worst that could happen? some officials come out and tell us to get lost. in which, we then get lost.
Yeah i agree completely; im not trying to be all negative or anti-lulz; im merely trying to show any possible obstacles that could need to be overcome, or thought of ahead of time.
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mrDogfud
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08:42 - 29/8/08
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Thought it wouldn't hurt to condense everything in the thread into a list of actionable items *cough cough* OCD *cough cough* GTD nerd *cough*
Stuff we still need TO DO - and by we, I mean YOU:
PRESS A start has been made BUT… We need: A general press release (should be sent Wednesday Sep3 imho)
HANDOUTS FOR SEP13 RAID We need: What are the aims of Anonymous? 1/4 Page Handout > our core aims in 1 VERY brief Handout ie a) Govt inquiry into 'fair game' and 'disconnection' b) revoke tax-exemption status c) alter the high court's definition of 'religion' We need: Revoke CoS Tax Exemption Tri-Fold Handout > adapt the Tax Exemption wiki We need: HALP Anonymous Showbags So far, tis just an idea floating around the forum. But if other Anons are interested, here's what we're looking at developing; durable handled bag with Anon sticker on outside, info CD, movie DVD, handouts, printed 'DIY' mask, stickers, lollipop? Can be used as a general handout for mini-raids or Sep13, or for specifically mini-raiding outside the Show, Goodwood train station, etc Disk burning has already been assigned; We need: 1 Anon to source bags and 1 Anon to do printing; HALP! POSTER RUNS 2nd MAJOR Poster Run _THIS WEEK_ We need: Organisation via PMs/IRC
MINI-RAIDS (Masked up; distributing raid 'tickets', inviting ppl to raid on Sep13) North Tce/Rundle Mall, Goodwood Train Station, Outside the Show (?) We need: | |