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| thetan 02:00 15/6/08
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Hey ANON, lets discuss June 14th.
It was very busy and we got a lot of exposure!
But the weather was down and the head count no so high.
1) NEW ANON
Good to see a lot of new faces! Glad to have you on board, good ideas paricularly the balloon group, and a thanks to those who helped out carrying banners, A-grade effort to the lot of you! Please be there next month and don't get dismayed by the low turnout – that was seriously less numbers than we usually get. I missed 1 protest, but last time I went we had 75+ Cmon guys, not the other states are out doing us!
Adelaide is better than this! I know it. You know it. Lets get our game up!
http://forums.enturbulation.org/124-june-14th-post-results-davy-ms-locker/headcount-thread-18422/
P.S. is this count correct? I thought we ended up with more.. I walked away thinking we went from 20 to 40? Don't EVER lose enthusiasm, some groups stuggle to get the numbers we got (have a look at Christchurch), and others who are now much stronger in number started with less than us.
" ..the million-year war for earth has just begun!" – Creators of "South Park"
2) ABSENSE SLIPS
I *know* there are lots of people out there who support us (heck if we'd had a few extra masks we'd even have had some of the public dragged along – some even did join) but there were a lot of regular die-hard anon who weren't there. Many who I'm sure wouldn't have missed a march if they had a say in it. So if your reading this, and weren't there, I want your signed absentee slip! Sick? Exam study? Dettered from bad weather? Pirate theme not your thing? Please provide feedback.
We NEED YOU next month!
3) CHANGES OF LOCATION? (IMPORTANT)
I suggested this once, but didn't get a lot of feedback.. We've become a pretty class-A act with the signs, but I've felt we don't get much exposure for our 2 hours of so worth of meming out the front of Scientology HQ. Who cares if they have to pay for security, thats negligible. I suggest we do the usual lap, but finish on the lawns opposite myer centre or something, or on the grass near Rymill Park, (opposite the stag). We'll get so MUCH MORE VISIBILITY with our signs and appeal to FAR MORE PEOPLE driving / walking past.
This decision isn't in the hands of 1 or 2 people, so YOU reading this – please reply!
REMEMBER: Every time we march and get that stunned cow response down rundle mall, its
becuase every time we are informing a chunk of the public who weren't there last time! Theres a good reason we keep doing this! Plus it's fun ;)
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HOLY SHIT STOP SPAMMING US | Anon23517 Anon23517 02:40 15/6/08
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Orrighty, here's my 2cents worth on the numbers thing.
First, as someone said on Enturb, at the end of the day, the numbers aren't really important. it's getting the message out that is the important thing. A lot of shit happened this weekend (Stu in Plymouth being arrested, Scis being arrested in Sydney, chases between ANons and Scis in Sydney and Israel, Brass Balls Anon going it alone in Thailand…the list is long like longcat.)
Now, the meat of the matter. I think it's a combo of factors: sickness, mid year exams, that sort of thing. One thing that I will bring up that's been sort of mentioned before but not really covered is how to make protests workable for the disabled.
With other protests, it doesn't matter if you're able bodied or not – what you're protesting against isn't out to fair game you and try and black PR you. Scilons are. This makes it difficult for the disabled – who are easy to identify b.c of their disability – to protest. I know for a fact it pisses off several disabled friends of mine who want to protest but don't dare to b.c of Scilons fair game bs. I honestly don't know what to suggest we do about it. I mean, there's loads people can do for the cause whether they're disabled or not, but actual protest days and being visible makes some people hesitant to put themselves out there. And that's not *our* fault, that's the Scios, b.c if they didn't do this draconian shit and treat people like this, this wouldn't be an issue.
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| SirFluffingtonAD 05:17 15/6/08
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Had a bit of a discussion with User & Anon1138 on IRC about the possibility of postponing next months raid..
<User> But the question is, do we really want them to win? we need some changes
<User> Less raids, with more people. This superraid in sydney sounds.. sort of what Im thinking ofd
<SirFluffingtnAD> yeah, im seein that we should have less raids
<SirFluffingtnAD> i reckon a quaterly thing would be the best
<SirFluffingtnAD> and mini raids every 2-4 weeks
<User> We would get eassily as much as the second raid that way
<User> you know 150 +
<User> I think more discussion is needed in the forums to make the changes
<SirFluffingtnAD> the unfortunate problem is that we really need to stay aligned with the global movement, and follow what has been set by enturb
<User> Well maybe we need to be heard in the global movement?
<SirFluffingtnAD> even skipping just one month would be good
<User> Otherwise the scifags can see what willhappen
<User> Especially a city like Adelaide, were very lazy
<User> So the less the better, people make more of an effort to go, take the time off of work
<SirFluffingtnAD> its bad enough by the fact that we are anonymous, typically 4chan/sa/lualinks/hardocp and the other 'lulz' forums have a really short attention span
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| Lex (User) 22:43 15/6/08
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Obviously my view point is clear. Less protests with more impact. Yes, people aren't the only key factor, but lets face it, the public pay attention to hoardes of people.
I like the idea of route changing as well. Mini-raids directed perhaps at politician speeches and the like? How long is it till the state election? Coming up near that we could have many a question popped to the pollies in front of media.
Could spark more conversation?
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Member | psychedeas 00:49 16/6/08
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I think the idea of switching the end destination is a good idea. Waymouth street doesn't get so much pedestrian traffic, and that's what we're there for, right? To alert the public?
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Member | talonn 04:08 16/6/08
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I had a work shift and an assignment so I couldn't go unfortunately. I was going to drive past and honk at least but my brother took my car! ARGH!
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| Cheese 04:45 16/6/08
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Newfag here,
I've been helping online with the Anonymous Vs Scientology
raids and phone-calls for awhile now. But being as stupid as I am, I
never of thought to look for raids happing in South Australia. Until
a friend from school was handing out flyer's last week about the
upcoming raid. I took one, and read on. And thats basically how I
found out about you.
I dragged two of my friends out, to see what was going down.
I myself was impressed and incredibly glad I found this out. Watched
abit and strangely followed anon around, Until I met up with that
same friend who told me about the raid. He had a broken mask so I
fixed it and joined in. It was fun I must say I really enjoyed
myself. I really think that warned and helped allot of people of
falling into the death trap that is Scientology. Sad thing was I
couldn't say for long I had to leave at 3ish because I had a work
shift starting at 5pm. I loved it and was sad that I didn't get to
see the end of the raid. It must have went well, because well,
everything went great of what I saw.
So Cheese is ready to Fight!
Cya at the next protest.
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HOLY SHIT STOP SPAMMING US | Anon23517 Anon23517 06:58 16/6/08
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Lex (User) said:
Obviously my view point is clear. Less protests with more impact. Yes, people aren’t the only key factor, but lets face it, the public pay attention to hoardes of people.
I like the idea of route changing as well. Mini-raids directed perhaps at politician speeches and the like? How long is it till the state election? Coming up near that we could have many a question popped to the pollies in front of media.
Could spark more conversation?
I think less protests is a bad idea. It's been floated around Enturb and the consesus (which I agree with ) is that the build up and sustaining that build up is important. At the end of the day the numbers aren't important. Some places had 4 protestors, some had 400. The *presence* is the key thing, not the numbers. Yeah, Adelaide is lazy. But we're making a point for lulz and morals both, and if we do less protests then it doesn't have the same impact, imo.
Route change: sure. I think doing it a bit different to shake things up would work nicely. Maybe do halfway point out front of the office, b.c after all, the Scilons do so look forward to our monthly visits and it would be a shame to disappoint them. But after that, move on down the Mall, Rundle St way.
That's my 2cents.
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| SirFluffingtonAD 16:47 16/6/08
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The idea isnt so much around Less Protests. It's having less major protests, and more mini-raids and other creative ways to get the message out there. I know this month was espically down due to uni exams and end of financial year and all, but the numbers have been steadly falling, and I'm afraid that it will get to the point where people don't see a reason going at all.
tl;dr: Spend more time hyping the event, and the message. But less actual protests so more people have a chance and desire to make the time and effort available to come.
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| Lex (User) 19:28 16/6/08
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Anon23517 said:
Lex (User) said:
Obviously my view point is clear. Less protests with more impact. Yes, people aren’t the only key factor, but lets face it, the public pay attention to hoardes of people.
I like the idea of route changing as well. Mini-raids directed perhaps at politician speeches and the like? How long is it till the state election? Coming up near that we could have many a question popped to the pollies in front of media.
Could spark more conversation?
I think less protests is a bad idea. It’s been floated around Enturb and the consesus (which I agree with ) is that the build up and sustaining that build up is important. At the end of the day the numbers aren’t important. Some places had 4 protestors, some had 400. The *presence* is the key thing, not the numbers. Yeah, Adelaide is lazy. But we’re making a point for lulz and morals both, and if we do less protests then it doesn’t have the same impact, imo.
Route change: sure. I think doing it a bit different to shake things up would work nicely. Maybe do halfway point out front of the office, b.c after all, the Scilons do so look forward to our monthly visits and it would be a shame to disappoint them. But after that, move on down the Mall, Rundle St way.
That’s my 2cents.
Yes youre right. Prescence is needed. But if you have not noticed
already, the numbers are falling fast. There will not even be a
prescence within a few months.
Remember, this is about getting rid of the tax exempt
status, sci as a religion etc. Without attention from people, what good
are these protests?
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| thetan 06:29 17/6/08
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Attention is needed, but it's also about informing people. Simply putting that doubt into an extra persons head with an extra flier is Win as far as I'm concerned.
I think April seperated those into it for the once off from those who were willing to 'support' the cause. That's the real cause of the drop. Continued support is what we really need.
I agree that alternating between a major protest, and then a lesser more mind-raid-esque recruitmenty protest would be better than taking a month off.. It'd be good to get more feedback before making a call. Particularly as we this month was bad exam/weather timing…
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| anon347 17:10 17/6/08
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i sat out this raid for a few reasons. this feedback may/may not help:
- personal issues
- volume of anonymous activity (ie i spent too much of my time on pre-raid bullshit)
- pirate theme seemed somewhat kooky
the momentum is gunna be hard to maintain thru winter. raiding every month does ask a lot of Anonymous (pre-raid posters, new flyers, organising costume, making new signs) and working within themes requires even more effort. sometimes it feels that as soon as one raid is over, its time to start organising the next. at the same time, we wanna maintain the rage and wanna stay in-step with our movement, at large.
a suggestion: a forum thread like 'How can I help? Current activities' (like Enturb) might help the many ppl who flock to the site/forum/irc and wanna get involved, but dunno what is needed. we could keep it updated with where we're at it in the current 'pre-raid marketing plan':
ie 4+ weeks before raid= "General awareness: stickers, posters, viral marketing: just promote the cause in general, no specific themes, no raid times/dates YET" or 1+ week before raid= "Promote protest: full bore media coverage, viral marketing, posters, flyers: all details of protest, including date, place, costume etc – START developing handouts for the protest"
This way, ppl can see at a glance exactly what's needed, where we are in the 'marketing plan' and everyone can debate it, in forum, as it happens.
we are heading in the right direction and making all the right moves Anonymous. we just need to refine our approach and perfect our planning. onwards and upwards! moar!!
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| anon1138 20:29 17/6/08
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anon347: that is why the "join anonymous" page was created to begin with, people want to help, but don't know where to start.
 I know i've said it before, but It's being rewritten. we've learnt we need to make it less chanrage causing. :)
the forum thread is a great idea, and personally I was going to start one last time round, but time issues came in the way.
Start one Anonymous :)
I'm personally interested in attending Anonville. not sure if I'll do both. if I do, i'm not going to be do as much as I have previous, 2 in one month will be DRAINING.
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| thetan 03:03 18/6/08
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@Anon347: Excellent feedback.
I agree with refining a build up schedule, and I also agree with making sure it doesn't overwhelm us. Also it can be hard to expect any advertising a month before hand to take hold anyway. Perhaps if we concentrate 90% our efforts into the week (or 2) before that'll be a good way to do it. As someone said on IRC there was no miniraid before the AARRGH theme either.
The "join anonymous" wording was the problem. Put the page back but title it "new to anonymous?" or "basics of opposing scientology" or "Anonymous 101" with that weird pokemon critter with the hat.. this guy:
Another thing perhaps taking some 'critique from the /b/ mob' is that maybe we do need to avoid overdosing with the happy go luck aspect. Simply so we don't close off any appeal to more adult like supporters.
Whats anonville?
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| Anonymous 20:01 20/6/08
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| thetan 05:04 24/6/08
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So is there a consensus?
Given the presence of a Anonville / exams / middle of winter etc.. should we aim for a mini break?
E.g Sydney is taking one due to their involvement in Anonville.
So folks do we say:
(A) Take it light this July aiming for a 20-30ish folk and call upon the hordes to rock up when we ramp it up for August!!?
or do we say:
(B) Screw weakness! Put our Guy Fawkes masks and GuyFawes Mittens drag the hordes out and Hold our own damn "I-can't-believe-it's-not-Anonville" on July 12th!
Personally as we've got more newbies, who still haven't see us full bore yet, I say (B) do our best and expect that when winter August (the end of winter comes) we will inevitably have our number anyway. Either way we should do a new route, end up at say Rymill Park, and focus on talking to and inviting the public.
What do U think Anonymous?
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HOLY SHIT STOP SPAMMING US | Anon23517 Anon23517 06:30 24/6/08
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thetan said:
So is there a consensus?
Given the presence of a Anonville / exams / middle of winter etc.. should we aim for a mini break?
E.g Sydney is taking one due to their involvement in Anonville.
So folks do we say:
(A) Take it light this July aiming for a 20-30ish folk and call upon the hordes to rock up when we ramp it up for August!!?
or do we say:
(B) Screw weakness! Put our Guy Fawkes masks and GuyFawes Mittens drag the hordes out and Hold our own damn "I-can’t-believe-it’s-not-Anonville" on July 12th!
Personally as we’ve got more newbies, who still haven’t see us full bore yet, I say (B) do our best and expect that when winter August (the end of winter comes) we will inevitably have our number anyway. Either way we should do a new route, end up at say Rymill Park, and focus on talking to and inviting the public.
What do U think Anonymous?
Personally, I say option b.
However, I'll be out for the moment as far as being a body at a protest b.c my mother has cancer and that's kind of taking up my time.
BUT. That doesn't mean I won't be online telling people about the protests or handing out fliers or slipping you found the card cards into books and magazines – esp in the RAH where I'll be spending a lot of time in the next however long.
This anon gal needs some sleep. Ugh.
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